Stinger WMI (water meth) Discussion

[Terry @ BMS]

Oh what a difference JB4 controlled WMI makes. Couple of logs from the NFZ half mile racing event Saturday. Mods are JB4, 30% E85, BMS intake. Map5 (no meth) vs. map8 (meth on, 70 additive). With BMS WMI 146mph, without only 139mph. Videos to follow.

Install guide: Click Here

WMI Specific Settings:

Boost Additive: Determines how aggressive the map7 boost target is as a function of WMI flow. The higher the setting the higher the boost target on map7. 40 is the default which is similar to map2 levels.

Signal Scaling: This has to be set appropriate to the WMI pump being used. All BMS pumps should have this set at 60. For CPI kits we have a special setting of 98 so the JB4 is aware you're running CPI not WMI.

Min Flow Boost: This is the minimum boost level before any WMI will flow. We suggest a setting of 8psi. Note there are other internal parameters that also establish the when WMI can start flowing including pedal input, engine speed, and throttle position.

Meth Trigger Mode (on user adjustment page): Set to 0 (default) WMI will only flow on map7. Set to 1 if you want WMI to flow on all maps including map0.

Meth Safety Mode (on user adjustment page): Default of 0 makes no changes. If set to 1 then map7 will transition to your map6 boost targets as a function of WMI flow. Additive level of 75 will give exact target, lower for less, higher for more.

[Terry @ BMS]

Stinger/G70 WMI game changer coming soon...

[Terry @ BMS]

Just added our new PNP WMI adapters to the website. Someone asked what a Stinger WMI kit might look like so I put together a sample in the shopping cart.

[Terry @ BMS]

Here is a quick WMI install guide: https://www.jb4tuned.com/flash_files...mi_install.pdf

[sym]

Here is a quick WMI install guide: http://www.n54tech.com/flash_files/s...mi_install.pdf

Thanks Terry! Looks like this install can be as clean as the installer is willing to make it

Quick question, you say in the guide:

Once routed carefully reattach the fuse box cover over the FSB power wire. If you run in to an issue with WMI not turning on, this power wire coming loose or not being properly secured will be a primary suspect. Note, we strongly suggest SWITCHED power for the FSB. Resist the urge to use the easy to reach/attach to CONSTANT power sources.

Does this just mean we should avoid wiring the fused 12V to an always on supply (like the battery) versus a relay switched fuse, or is this saying we should add an external cut switch?

[sym]

Since there's a thread for this now, I figured I'd add my thoughts on the WMI install:

1. Probably took 2ish hours total. Hardest part of the install was definitely routing the hose and wire through the firewall, and then under the paneling in the car. I ended up pulling off the passenger kick panel, and the passenger door sill panels for the front and rear doors which made the process a lot easier. As it stands now, you can't see the hose in the car as a passenger which was my intent.

2. If you have the factory remote start system, it makes the install a lot harder. The kit takes up a lot of space near the passenger side firewall. I had to remove a part of it and put it back in order to fish the line through.

3. All of the compression fittings I needed were included with the kit. Don't forget to use silicon / teflon thread sealant on the threaded connections (not necessary on the hose side of the compression fittings though).

4. A yellow stake-on fork was used for the FSB fuse connection. It would be in your best interest to have a set of stake-ons for the install. The wire nuts worked well but I replaced several of the fork connections to the chassis with ring connections.

5. The JB4 itself is starting to look like a bird's nest. I'll have to work on that if I find some time...

Final note, I do have some concerns about the billet injection nozzle not getting enough air flow across the element to accurately reflect the IAT. I will need to do some more testing and troubleshooting to confirm this. But looking at my old logs vs. new, there seems to be a much higher difference between IAT and ambient.

[Terry @ BMS]

IAT is sampled at the intake manifold sensor, not the pre-throttle sensor, which is used for boost only. Was the first thing we confirmed.

[sym]

IAT is sampled at the intake manifold sensor, not the pre-throttle sensor, which is used for boost only. Was the first thing we confirmed.

That's great to hear. It probably has a negligible impact then, vs if it was being used for AFR control.

I'm running V7 firmware with WMI now, everything is good so far. I'll have some logs for you soon.

[Stinger0618]

BMS WMI review

Happy holidays to everyone!! Just wanted to write up a little review on the BMS water meth kit with jb4 integration. I installed my kit this weekend. Everything that is needed is pretty much included but I would grab a pack of the assorted electrical connectors to possibly clean up the install a little bit. The kit installed very easily and took a total of around an hour and half to two hours with a friend just taking our time.

Before the stinger I came from a built motor big turbo golf R that had a snow stage 2 WMI kit on and honestly I like this BMS kit much better. Originally I was driving around and felt that the WMI should come on a bit sooner, it felt as though it waited until 90% throttle to come on which to me felt a little late but at the same time you don’t want it spraying when it’s not needed. I shot an email to terry with my suggestion of WMI hitting at 75% throttle. He shot me a beta file back within minutes of map 8 having WMI come on around 50% throttle above 8psi and it is PERFECT. Prior at 90% I really was only using WMI on the highway but now it’s spraying on backroads when getting into it for a little bit and you can really feel it as it starts spraying. I’m on a 65 additive so there is still more to go. Drivability is perfect and the car is evenmore fun.


You really can’t go wrong with this kit. Also I suggest using silicon on all of the fittings as some of them leak a little bit. BMS suggested it in the instructions but I didn’t use it with my last kit so i left it out. Kicked myself for it after bc each fitting leaked a small amount one by one but once I used the silicon everything is perfect. That was my own fault but figured I’d mention it in case anyone else wants to skip the silicon on the fittings.

Here is a log doing a highway pull. Everything looks great to me.... what do you think terry?? Everything look good?

[Terry @ BMS]

Looks good to me!

[Stinger0618]

WMI additives

terry,

right now i have the App set to a 65 additive and from the logs in my above post you can see they look good. if i was going to be playing around at a track with some cars can i turn that up to a 75 additive using 93 octane and boost juice only, or would i also have to have some E85 in the tank?

thanks.

[Terry @ BMS]

More octane always helps, for track use i'd add in a couple gallons of E85 or a can of MMT based octane booster if you can. Then crank it up.

[dgascho]

Hoping to soon get WMI set up on my car. Can you comment on the appropriate boost additive? I hear some are at 65, yours at 70, etc. Any reason why I should leave it at the 50 advised in the install document?

Also, if I'm running map 8 (E30 blend in the tank and WMI on) and decide I want the WMI off for some reason (wife daily driver to work), it's as simple as simply switching the map back to 3 or 5 or something appropriate for the E30 that's still in the tank?

[BHR Stinger]

Hey Terry, I would like to buy the adapter and incorporate it with the Snow kit I have.

What are the thread sizes for both the inlet and outlet on the adapter? I just want to make sure the Snow inlet fitting and nozzle will work.

[Terry @ BMS]

1/8" NPT. You'll need a BMS nozzle for the adapter too I'm sure.

[Terry @ BMS]

Hoping to soon get WMI set up on my car. Can you comment on the appropriate boost additive? I hear some are at 65, yours at 70, etc. Any reason why I should leave it at the 50 advised in the install document?

Also, if I'm running map 8 (E30 blend in the tank and WMI on) and decide I want the WMI off for some reason (wife daily driver to work), it's as simple as simply switching the map back to 3 or 5 or something appropriate for the E30 that's still in the tank?

You'd have to evaluate and set it properly for your fuel, mods, climate, risk level, and power objectives. Start slow at say a 40 additive and go from there.

[BHR Stinger]

1/8" NPT. You'll need a BMS nozzle for the adapter too I'm sure.

Because of different size thread or nozzle length, cause I believe the snow nozzles are 1/8" NPT as well.

(#1) 60 ML/MIN Hyper-Sonic Water Methanol Nozzle

they are longer due to the filter, i am not sure if that will be a fitment issue as well.

[snipe99999]

I am very new to the WMI concept but it really interests me. I have some specific questions that might sound really dumb but I think this is the correct place to post them. If not please point me in the right direction.

1. My Mods are just the JB4 and the BMS intake do I need or would I benefit from any other mods before running WMI? I run 93 octane.

2. This car is my daily driver and I wouldn't want to run WMI all the time. Is it really as easy as setting it to MAP 8 when I want to run WMI and back to MAP 2 for daily driving? Will that turn it on and off?

3. Is MAP 8 all set in the app or will modifications to some parameters be needed before running WMI? When I installed the JB4 I set it on MAP 2 and nothing else needed to be done and I never looked back. Is it the same with MAP 8 and this WMI kit? I am trying to get a feel for how easy this is to maintain.

Thanks in advance for answering my questions and sorry if they have been answered somewhere else.

[Payam @ BMS]

I am very new to the WMI concept but it really interests me. I have some specific questions that might sound really dumb but I think this is the correct place to post them. If not please point me in the right direction.

1. My Mods are just the JB4 and the BMS intake do I need or would I benefit from any other mods before running WMI? I run 93 octane.

2. This car is my daily driver and I wouldn't want to run WMI all the time. Is it really as easy as setting it to MAP 8 when I want to run WMI and back to MAP 2 for daily driving? Will that turn it on and off?

3. Is MAP 8 all set in the app or will modifications to some parameters be needed before running WMI? When I installed the JB4 I set it on MAP 2 and nothing else needed to be done and I never looked back. Is it the same with MAP 8 and this WMI kit? I am trying to get a feel for how easy this is to maintain.

Thanks in advance for answering my questions and sorry if they have been answered somewhere else.

1 -WMI will definitely help you with bringing the octane up so you can run higher boost *safer* than just with 93 octane.

2- Yup, exactly how it works! Super simple

3- Map 8 has about 3-4 values you'll need to input, but it's all straight forward. You can always email me and I can help you set it up.
After you set it up, it's good to go.

[email protected]

[Terry @ BMS]

Because of different size thread or nozzle length, cause I believe the snow nozzles are 1/8" NPT as well.

(#1) 60 ML/MIN Hyper-Sonic Water Methanol Nozzle

they are longer due to the filter, i am not sure if that will be a fitment issue as well.

Yes I just don't know. You'd have to try it. On the BMS setup we put the filter before the solenoid, as it's just as much of a risk point for clogging as the nozzles are.

[Terry @ BMS]

We have the BOV adapters in stock finally: BOV adapter for KIA Stinger GT 3.3L - BurgerTuning.com

Rather than waiting until we get the valves with the right springs we decided to just offer the adapter ala-cart. There are authentic valves on amazon and ebay with the spring for $260 shipped. And fake Tial valves for a fraction of that for those who prefer that route.

[BHR Stinger]

Is the adapter directional, or can it be mounted either way?

I need the opening to be towards the radiator.

[Payam @ BMS]

Is the adapter directional, or can it be mounted either way?

I need the opening to be towards the radiator.

No it's symmetrical.

[snipe99999]

1 -WMI will definitely help you with bringing the octane up so you can run higher boost *safer* than just with 93 octane.

2- Yup, exactly how it works! Super simple

3- Map 8 has about 3-4 values you'll need to input, but it's all straight forward. You can always email me and I can help you set it up.
After you set it up, it's good to go.

[email protected]

Thank you so much for the information.

Any idea when the bolt on stealth bracket will be available?

Also what water/meth product do you guys use or recommend for putting in the tank?

[Terry @ BMS]

Start with boost juice 49/51 mix as it's really easy. Then you can evaluate down the road. you'll make more power with a stronger mix but it's harder to source.

[BHR Stinger]

Yes I just don't know. You'd have to try it. On the BMS setup we put the filter before the solenoid, as it's just as much of a risk point for clogging as the nozzles are.

FYI, it doesn't fit. The thread is the same but the filter on the Snow nozzle is too long and doesn't thread all the way in, not enough clearance inside the adapter.

[Terry @ BMS]

Good to know for posterity. We have full kits and components on our site as needed to cobble it together for you.

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Hey Terry,

Any thoughts about dumping in a booster like this into the WMI mix?

HIGH HORSEPOWER NITRO BOOSTERâ„¢ ADDITIVE

Nitro Booster Water Methanol Additive | SNO-40007 | Snow Performance

[snipe99999]

Can some one let me know exactly which fuse they used to get the switched power source? Is a fuse tap needed? I want to make sure I have everything before doing the install.

[dgascho]

I've noticed when the WMI isn't used for a while, the boost juice tends to "leak back" or backflow to the point where there's 2-3 inches of air between the fluid and the injector. Normal? Something hooked up wrong allowing air in?
I always purge it back to normal first, is that necessary?

[Payam @ BMS]

I've noticed when the WMI isn't used for a while, the boost juice tends to "leak back" or backflow to the point where there's 2-3 inches of air between the fluid and the injector. Normal? Something hooked up wrong allowing air in?
I always purge it back to normal first, is that necessary?

Completely normal. One purge is fine before doing runs just to be safe.

[ImStung2]

For those with IAT wires.

I looked and could not find the install. Does anyone have pics of where it gets installed.

Also what needs to be enable on the JB4 to run it.

I have WMI, thanks everyone.

[ImStung2]

The Teflon paste is only needed on the threaded fittings correct? The fitting that go to the line just push in? How do I know the filter is in the correct position. What about the wire on the filter is that just a ground?

[snipe99999]

The Teflon paste is only needed on the threaded fittings correct? The fitting that go to the line just push in? How do I know the filter is in the correct position. What about the wire on the filter is that just a ground?

Yes the paste is just for the threaded fittings.

Yes the hose just pushes in.

The filter has an arrow on it that indicates the direction of flow.

One of the black wires is for ground. The other black wire attaches to the FSB green connection.

[ImStung2]

Yes the paste is just for the threaded fittings.

Yes the hose just pushes in.

The filter has an arrow on it that indicates the direction of flow.

One of the black wires is for ground. The other black wire attaches to the FSB green connection.

Thank You!

Did you have to solder anything ?

The hose pushed in do you need to tighten the nut ?

[snipe99999]

Thank You!

Did you have to solder anything ?

The hose pushed in do you need to tighten the nut ?

No I didn't solder anything.

You take the fitting apart, slide the plastic piece over the hose, push the hose onto the metal piece then tighten down. It's kind of hard to explain with words. Take a look at this video. Just fast forward to 10:48. It will give you a good idea of what I am failing at explaining with words.

How To Connect A Water Line To Your Refrigerator (+Tips Tricks) | GOT2LEARN - YouTube

[ImStung2]

No I didn't solder anything.

You take the fitting apart, slide the plastic piece over the hose, push the hose onto the metal piece then tighten down. It's kind of hard to explain with words. Take a look at this video. Just fast forward to 10:48. It will give you a good idea of what I am failing at explaining with words.

How To Connect A Water Line To Your Refrigerator (+Tips Tricks) | GOT2LEARN - YouTube

Thank You

[ImStung2]

Good to know for posterity. We have full kits and components on our site as needed to cobble it together for you.

For those with IAT wires.

I looked and could not find the install. Does anyone have pics of where it gets installed.

Also what needs to be enable on the JB4 to run it.

I have WMI, thanks everyone.

[Terry @ BMS]

For those with IAT wires.

I looked and could not find the install. Does anyone have pics of where it gets installed.

Also what needs to be enable on the JB4 to run it.

I have WMI, thanks everyone.

The optional IAT wire goes in as shown. We'll advise on settings for it once we see logs but a normal starting setting is 6cyl timing = 30 for a mild IAT increase.

[ImStung2]

The optional IAT wire goes in as shown. We'll advise on settings for it once we see logs but a normal starting setting is 6cyl timing = 30 for a mild IAT increase.

Thank You!

Do I need to enable bit 3 on fud options?

What does the 30 value do? What would decreasing the value to 20 or 10 do? Just curious.

Do I Leave this on only when using meth or all the time?

[psykostevo]

Start with boost juice 49/51 mix as it's really easy. Then you can evaluate down the road. you'll make more power with a stronger mix but it's harder to source.

Luckily for me I live a few miles away from Torco. They sell 99.95% Pure Methanol for about $4/gal, so it's super cheap to mix up a bottle with some distilled water.

[Terry @ BMS]

Thank You!

Do I need to enable bit 3 on fud options?

No.

What does the 30 value do? What would decreasing the value to 20 or 10 do? Just curious.

Do I Leave this on only when using meth or all the time?

[/quote]

Lower values make IAT higher and higher values make IAT lower. If it's set wrong you'll have tuning problems so best to just follow whatever we suggest for it unless you're experienced at reading your logs and making your own tuning changes.

[psykostevo]

How do you recommend that we tap the 1-Gallon Tank? I wasn't expecting it to come in without a fitting attached to it already, since the kit purchased was application specific. Thanks!

[washguy]

Hi Terry Im doing the DIY conical filter thingy and since I want WMI,but want to mount the pump in front. I think by either removing the intake box on passengers side or trimming the intake box I can mount the WMI pump inside the intake box ,or on the fender well... of course the pump will be mounted on a base first.....the question is....can you show me where to pick up the electrical connections in the front of the car...since all of your install directions are for the trunk? thanks Wash

[Payam @ BMS]

How do you recommend that we tap the 1-Gallon Tank? I wasn't expecting it to come in without a fitting attached to it already, since the kit purchased was application specific. Thanks!

Something like this:

Drill and tap

[washguy]

How do you recommend that we tap the 1-Gallon Tank? I wasn't expecting it to come in without a fitting attached to it already, since the kit purchased was application specific. Thanks!

Psykostevo lemme help ya....yes we both know you cant tap a plastic wall only a 1/4 inch thick at best......so what you need is a miniature thru bulkhead fitting here ya go sumthin like this will make a nice no leak fitting for your tank

1/8" Body x 1/4" Hose Barb Bulkhead Unvalved Nipple | U.S. Plastic Corp.


3/8 bulkhead | U.S. Plastic Corp.
......check some of these too

looky looky here 90 degree elbow swivel 5/32" Tube OD x 1/4" MNPTF Super Speedfit® Male Swivel Elbow Tube Fitting | U.S. Plastic Corp.



now im cookin pushtubing thru the bulkhead.....easy peasy 3/8" Black PP Bulkhead Union | U.S. Plastic Corp.


another company https://www.freshwatersystems.com/pr...nion-1-4-x-1-4

[snipe99999]

Psykostevo lemme help ya....yes we both know you cant tap a plastic wall only a 1/4 inch thick at best......so what you need is a miniature thru bulkhead fitting here ya go sumthin like this will make a nice no leak fitting for your tank

1/8" Body x 1/4" Hose Barb Bulkhead Unvalved Nipple | U.S. Plastic Corp.


3/8 bulkhead | U.S. Plastic Corp.
......check some of these too

looky looky here 90 degree elbow swivel 5/32" Tube OD x 1/4" MNPTF Super Speedfit® Male Swivel Elbow Tube Fitting | U.S. Plastic Corp.



now im cookin pushtubing thru the bulkhead.....easy peasy 3/8" Black PP Bulkhead Union | U.S. Plastic Corp.


another company https://www.freshwatersystems.com/pr...nion-1-4-x-1-4

This one states Pressure Range: 0-145 psi. The pump says 200psi.
1/8" Body x 1/4" Hose Barb Bulkhead Unvalved Nipple | U.S. Plastic Corp.


Does anyone who has used this tank have any pictures or can they explain how they went about tapping the tank and the fitting they used?

[Payam @ BMS]

This one states Pressure Range: 0-145 psi. The pump says 200psi.
1/8" Body x 1/4" Hose Barb Bulkhead Unvalved Nipple | U.S. Plastic Corp.


Does anyone who has used this tank have any pictures or can they explain how they went about tapping the tank and the fitting they used?

I posted a link, here it is again

Buy the Century Drill Tool 93201 1/8-27npt 21/64in. Combo | Hardware World



Use that to drill, then tap. Then you install the 1/8NPT to 1/4 compression fitting we provided.

[snipe99999]

I posted a link, here it is again

Buy the Century Drill Tool 93201 1/8-27npt 21/64in. Combo | Hardware World



Use that to drill, then tap. Then you install the 1/8NPT to 1/4 compression fitting we provided.

I saw that. The plastic is so thin will that hold tightly? It doesn't seem like there will be much to thread into.

[washguy]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....15yPp-hvHL.jpg


use one like this for the tank.... use some E600 sealant on threads ...........Wash