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  • JB4 for Gen3B 2.0T VAG Group

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    We'll use this thread for our upcoming JB4 suitable for 2.0 Gen3B powered cars updates, map guides, firmware, and discussion!

    The engine in these cars can be easily identified by the MAF sensor on the intake system circled below:



    Compatible cars:

    Audi A3 2.0T 184hp
    Audi A4 2.0T 190hp
    Audi A5 2.0T 190hp
    Skoda Kodiaq 2.0T 180hp
    Seat Ateca 20T 190hp
    VW Aerton 2.0T 190hp
    VW Tiguan 2.0T North American
    VW T-Roc N1 2.0T 184hp
    VW Passat 2.0T North American 174hp
    VW Polo GTI 2.0T 200hp

    We are currently sending out test units for general feedback. You can email me at [email protected] for further information.


    Install Guide here: Follow this guide for now and skip the AFR install as we are not using the feature on the Gen3B.http://www.burgertuning.com/instruct...B4_install.pdf


    Optional map changing, datalogging and updates are done using the BMS data cable or JB4 Mobile REV3 bluetooth kit.

    JB4 Mobile Smart Phone wireless connection directions Click here
    BMS data cable hard wired directions and software Click here‚Äč


    Map guide:

    Map0: Stock tuning, disable JB4
    Map1: 3psi peak over stock 91AKI
    Map2: 4si peak over stock 91 AKI
    Map3: 5psi peak over stock (93AKI or 98Ron recommended)
    Map4: Stock tuning, JB4 logging fully active

    Firmware updates:

    Firmware is what the software that runs the JB4 is called. We keep improving on our units by adding more features etc over time.

    To upload new firmware to the unit with the Windows interface connect to the JB4 with engine off but key on. Go to File then Upload firmware and select the firmware from the location you have downloaded it. If the upload fails then try again unit it takes. Its important the data cable is secured to the JB4 circuit board.
    Instructions on how to load it on the app can be found here, be sure to come to this thread when selecting the firmware: http://jb4connectkit.com/store/index...ormation_id=10

    Firmware update to 26/2//5

    1. Battery drain issue with OBD wire fixed
    2. Small mapping changes

    How to update firmware:

    For firmware updates we suggest you turn off WiFi, change upload timeout to 25, and set your phone next to JB4 box under the hood.


    Download firmware using the new JB4 Mobile firmware database or externally by clicking this link.

    Last edited by George @ BMS; 11-18-2022, 01:53 PM.
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    In our own stable we have both a US Tiguan as well as a Polo GTI 200hp
    Had the Polo GTI on the dyno for some preliminary map testing. Gains seemed to be good on map 3 but the car has heat soak issues with the smaller front mount intercooler.

    After some cooling car made decent power in map 3. The turbo is a IS20 so there is more range for power and much more torque using map 6 when coupled with cooling mods.

    Last edited by George @ BMS; 10-02-2018, 09:02 AM.
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    • #3
      Really looking forward to this !
      A4 B9 2.0T Fwd gen3b 190hp.
      Any update on gains ?
      Should there be any heat soak issue with this model ?
      It has a lager intercooler than the polo no ?
      Grtz from Belgium !

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Wolfs9 View Post
        Really looking forward to this !
        A4 B9 2.0T Fwd gen3b 190hp.
        Any update on gains ?
        Should there be any heat soak issue with this model ?
        It has a lager intercooler than the polo no ?
        Grtz from Belgium !
        Intercooler is large by the looks of things. A user local to me is fitting one next week some time so will get lots of data on the A4.
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        • #5
          Looking forward to good news !

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Wolfs9 View Post
            Looking forward to good news !

            We most likely going to put these on our retail site next week.
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            • #7
              No updates on this ?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Wolfs9 View Post
                No updates on this ?
                We got quite a few testers out and so far so good. At this stage we evaluating the MAF signal and seeing if we can make any improvements by connecting to that.
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                • #9
                  George, are you still looking for testers ?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Tedmond View Post
                    George, are you still looking for testers ?
                    Yes if you are US based, drop me a email to [email protected] .
                    Last edited by George @ BMS; 10-29-2018, 06:14 AM.
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                    • #11
                      No news here ?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Wolfs9 View Post
                        No news here ?
                        We got around 30 testers now and still evaluating . So far so good.
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                        • #13
                          Quite an accomplishment getting a Polo GTI in the US how did you go about that??
                          Ordered just before April and only just been built Nov. :-S

                          Do you Think you Will have produktion units Ready by Christmas? Incl. EU...

                          Would be tempted to get my selv a Christmas pressent :-D

                          Any plans to offer an intercooler upgrade for the polo or other of the cars that run hot???
                          Or are there already compatible products on the market??

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by HoTnFunkYGTI View Post
                            Quite an accomplishment getting a Polo GTI in the US how did you go about that??
                            Ordered just before April and only just been built Nov. :-S

                            Do you Think you Will have produktion units Ready by Christmas? Incl. EU...

                            Would be tempted to get my selv a Christmas pressent :-D

                            Any plans to offer an intercooler upgrade for the polo or other of the cars that run hot???
                            Or are there already compatible products on the market??
                            Part of our VAG group development gets done in South Africa where I am based. We managed to grab a ex press car albiet at a slight premium.
                            The unit will be ready before then and we expect release this month.
                            We will look at coolers for US models like the Passat but for the Polo the market is to small for us. Wagner is developing a cooler and normally Firge follows suite.
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                            • #15
                              Any idea when the unit shall be ready ?
                              Do you know if there Will be a air intake for this engine on A4 ?

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                              • #16
                                ?

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Wolfs9 View Post
                                  ?
                                  We should have them up by Tuesday/Wednesday.
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                                  • #18
                                    Hey George,

                                    I'm quite keen on the JB4 for my Audi.
                                    Ive got a 2016 190HP A4 B9 2.0TFSI. So I guess this option would be suitable for me? I used a JB4 on my previous BMW F30, and was very impressed,

                                    I'm also based in South Africa. Do you have a rough idea of local pricing? Also happy to be a tester.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by LukeHawk View Post
                                      Hey George,

                                      I'm quite keen on the JB4 for my Audi.
                                      Ive got a 2016 190HP A4 B9 2.0TFSI. So I guess this option would be suitable for me? I used a JB4 on my previous BMW F30, and was very impressed,

                                      I'm also based in South Africa. Do you have a rough idea of local pricing? Also happy to be a tester.
                                      Yes, its compatible to your A4.

                                      We adding these to our site this week. For a local price contact a dealer local to you. The pricing is the same as the usual VW JB4 so it should cost the same.
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                                      • #20
                                        Hey George,

                                        Good to see the JB4 finally drop for group 8. The info provided is pretty limited 35hp & 45 Torque for map 1. What type of power will it make on map 3 with 93 octane? Specifically for the North American Tiguan making 184 hp / 220 torque.

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                                        • #21
                                          Originally posted by blitz869 View Post
                                          Hey George,

                                          Good to see the JB4 finally drop for group 8. The info provided is pretty limited 35hp & 45 Torque for map 1. What type of power will it make on map 3 with 93 octane? Specifically for the North American Tiguan making 184 hp / 220 torque.
                                          Map 2 should be 45hp over.

                                          In map 3 we getting mixed results as some cars after a few pulls start hesitating. We have tested virtually everything to try solve it and I am now waiting for a few after market spark plugs to see if its caused by blow out. The turbo has around 60hp in it easily but we cannot tap into that yet.
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                                          • #22
                                            Can any beta tester share some review with the 18 Tiguan?
                                            Looking to get a 18 Tiguan but the only thing holding me back is the power.

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                                            • #23
                                              power is lacking, but its not terrible if you drive it in sport. I have the JB4 tuner on the way, so once it's installed in conjunction with the pedal tuner I'll report back.

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                                              • #24
                                                Originally posted by Tedmond View Post
                                                power is lacking, but its not terrible if you drive it in sport. I have the JB4 tuner on the way, so once it's installed in conjunction with the pedal tuner I'll report back.
                                                Looking forward to your feedback.

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                                                • #25
                                                  Hi George any luck getting your hands on different plugs yet? Thanks!

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                                                  • #26
                                                    Originally posted by RLinePassat18 View Post
                                                    Hi George any luck getting your hands on different plugs yet? Thanks!
                                                    Still working on it.
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                                                    • #27
                                                      Ok great

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                                                      • #28
                                                        I just installed my JB4 and on my first drive the EPC light came on. I did some research and found that plug C could be the issue. I plugged in OEM plug and it runs fine now. Anyone else have this issue and does the jb4 still unlock all the potential power if one plug isnt connected.

                                                        Codes from JB4 app
                                                        426A
                                                        5A38

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                                                        • #29
                                                          Originally posted by John MK7.5 View Post
                                                          I just installed my JB4 and on my first drive the EPC light came on. I did some research and found that plug C could be the issue. I plugged in OEM plug and it runs fine now. Anyone else have this issue and does the jb4 still unlock all the potential power if one plug isnt connected.

                                                          Codes from JB4 app
                                                          426A
                                                          5A38

                                                          MK7.5 GTI PP DSG
                                                          Drop me a email at [email protected]
                                                          Probably the wrong VW unit for your car.
                                                          Last edited by George @ BMS; 01-27-2019, 10:18 AM.
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                                                          • #30
                                                            Originally posted by George @ BMS View Post
                                                            After some cooling car made decent power in map 3. The turbo is a IS20 so there is more range for power and much more torque using map 6 when coupled with cooling mods.
                                                            Hi George, what cooling mods do you mean in here? Cooling for a dyno or a bigger IC?
                                                            Are you aware of any IC upgrades ready for purchase for the new Polo GTI 2.0TSI to become map 6 compliant?

                                                            Cheers from Poland

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                                                            • #31
                                                              Originally posted by latar View Post
                                                              Hi George, what cooling mods do you mean in here? Cooling for a dyno or a bigger IC?
                                                              Are you aware of any IC upgrades ready for purchase for the new Polo GTI 2.0TSI to become map 6 compliant?

                                                              Cheers from Poland
                                                              In general, the IAT can climb 30C in a single pull through the gears. There isn't a cooler available yet. I know Wagner is working on one so it should be the first to become available.
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                                                              • #32
                                                                Originally posted by George @ BMS View Post
                                                                In general, the IAT can climb 30C in a single pull through the gears. There isn't a cooler available yet. I know Wagner is working on one so it should be the first to become available.
                                                                Would we run into cooling issues on the 2018 A4 190hp models ? Or the cooling functionality is different between the A4 and what you are testing?
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                                                                • #33
                                                                  Originally posted by HitmanHearns View Post
                                                                  Would we run into cooling issues on the 2018 A4 190hp models ? Or the cooling functionality is different between the A4 and what you are testing?
                                                                  Less so with the 190hp A4 as the intercooler has a slightly different lay out and seems to be larger. Most users are in winter now so the data is not enough to be conclusive.
                                                                  In the next few weeks we are fitting on A4 that are in hot climates and will have a better idea.
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                                                                  • #34
                                                                    So this seems to be a little bit diff than the n54 jb4 (ran with BEF) I have & have a few questions.

                                                                    Read the install pdf, what is the obd2 cable for? What about spark plugs from a gti or r? You think the turbo has around 60hp in it, is that on pump gas? Will I be able to take advantage of alcohol injection? Im guessing accessing command mode through the steering controls isnt possible? Does the app or laptop have access to all the same functions?

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                                                                    • #35
                                                                      Originally posted by creepingKrawler View Post
                                                                      So this seems to be a little bit diff than the n54 jb4 (ran with BEF) I have & have a few questions.

                                                                      Read the install pdf, what is the obd2 cable for? What about spark plugs from a gti or r? You think the turbo has around 60hp in it, is that on pump gas? Will I be able to take advantage of alcohol injection? Im guessing accessing command mode through the steering controls isnt possible? Does the app or laptop have access to all the same functions?
                                                                      Only way to access is via the app or laptop. In terms of adjustment you can do boost and fuel.
                                                                      OBD wire feeds engine data to the JB4 for mapping purposes.
                                                                      The steering wheel module is not directly linked as the vehicle network is separated with various modules so we cannot do steering wheel controls unfortunately.
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                                                                      • #36
                                                                        Originally posted by George @ BMS View Post
                                                                        Only way to access is via the app or laptop. In terms of adjustment you can do boost and fuel.
                                                                        OBD wire feeds engine data to the JB4 for mapping purposes.
                                                                        The steering wheel module is not directly linked as the vehicle network is separated with various modules so we cannot do steering wheel controls unfortunately.
                                                                        George, any updates on the 3B? Any luck with the intake plug?
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                                                                        • #37
                                                                          Originally posted by jnhalstead View Post
                                                                          George, any updates on the 3B? Any luck with the intake plug?
                                                                          Do you mean for the MAF sensor in the intake?
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                                                                          • #38
                                                                            Originally posted by George @ BMS View Post
                                                                            Do you mean for the MAF sensor in the intake?
                                                                            indeed
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                                                                            • #39
                                                                              Originally posted by jnhalstead View Post
                                                                              indeed
                                                                              There was no benefit. At a certain load point the ECU starts ignoring it (we testing with it unplugged as well with no performance difference).
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                                                                              • #40
                                                                                Originally posted by George @ BMS View Post
                                                                                We got around 30 testers now and still evaluating . So far so good.
                                                                                Any feedback from testers?

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                                                                                • #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Lifesgood View Post
                                                                                  Any feedback from testers?
                                                                                  I would like that as well......all feedback!

                                                                                  Tom

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                                                                                  • #42
                                                                                    feedback

                                                                                    I have JB4 fitted on gen3b T-Roc 190cv TSI and work great!,zero problems.
                                                                                    Last edited by rsivan; 01-15-2019, 11:34 PM.

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                                                                                    • #43
                                                                                      What about performance?

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                                                                                      • #44
                                                                                        I did not test on dyno,however map2 and map3 are ok both no holes or error , we running here 95RON fuel as std,
                                                                                        I have now map6 at 4.5psi max ,comparing with my previuos gen3 tuned by flash I think is over 50ps+ the more gain is from 4000rpm to 6000rpm ,before was very weak in this range.

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                                                                                        • #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by George @ BMS View Post
                                                                                          In our own stable we have both a US Tiguan as well as a Polo GTI 200hp
                                                                                          Had the Polo GTI on the dyno for some preliminary map testing. Gains seemed to be good on map 3 but the car has heat soak issues with the smaller front mount intercooler.

                                                                                          After some cooling car made decent power in map 3. The turbo is a IS20 so there is more range for power and much more torque using map 6 when coupled with cooling mods.

                                                                                          George, I have the JB4 now fitted to my Polo. Should map 3 be OK as it is - 1 outside

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                                                                                          • #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Lifesgood View Post
                                                                                            George, I have the JB4 now fitted to my Polo. Should map 3 be OK as it is - 1 outside
                                                                                            Yes, it should be good.
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                                                                                            • #47
                                                                                              which is the difference between the tiguan and polo gti?
                                                                                              there is some engine difference? or is just the ecu map?
                                                                                              i mean, you can get some decebt power on the gti but not on tiguan.

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                                                                                              • #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by L32 View Post
                                                                                                which is the difference between the tiguan and polo gti?
                                                                                                there is some engine difference? or is just the ecu map?
                                                                                                i mean, you can get some decebt power on the gti but not on tiguan.
                                                                                                At this point it is unknown if there are any engine variances which I doubt. The variance is most likely mapping. On the Tiguan the base ECU tune does not allow for similar boost levels for consistent power at this level.
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                                                                                                • #49
                                                                                                  Hi everyone, just got my g8 jb4 installed on my 18 Passat. Anyone on here have the Passat also? Are you using the connect kit? Is it worth it at this stage of the jb4 just being released for our engines? If so what map is safe to use on us 93oct pump gas with no other mods. Thanks!

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                                                                                                  • #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by PaulyD88 View Post
                                                                                                    Hi everyone, just got my g8 jb4 installed on my 18 Passat. Anyone on here have the Passat also? Are you using the connect kit? Is it worth it at this stage of the jb4 just being released for our engines? If so what map is safe to use on us 93oct pump gas with no other mods. Thanks!
                                                                                                    In cooler weather on the Passat which has a different turbo to the rest of the Gen3B cars user are using map 2 or 3 or a custom map we set up for them.
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