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Map0: Fully disable JB4
Map1: +5psi peak over stock, default map, suitable for all fuels.
Map2: +5psi peak, less top end taper, more aggressive version of map1.
Map3: Fixed additive map based on "boost safety" setting entered in app, e.g. 3.0psi would provide +3psi across the board on map3
Map4: Low boost VALET map
Map5: +6psi peak, suggested for 30% E85 mixtures and/or unleaded race fuel
Map6: User adjustable by RPM map on user adjustment page, values are peak boost over stock by RPM under heavy throttle.
Map7: +7psi peak, experimental map for unleaded race fuel. Factory fuel system likely can't keep up with this map on E30.

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Default 06-02-2020, 09:19 AM

For the latest 9Y0 Cayenne S 2.9. Am I right to say I can follow what the Audi guys are doing to their car as it’s the same engine ?
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I think George is providing support for those so if you need assistance email george@burgertuning.com


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How i install jb4 for me porsche panamera turbo 2017
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How i install jb4 for me porsche panamera turbo 2017
This is for the older generation motor. The JB4 for the new Panamera turbo is under development.


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Hey guys, I think this is the dataloging and fine tuning solution a lot of us have been looking for being that it’s difficult to get custom tunes on this plateform. I wanted to get some more info on the system as I’m not that familiar this jb4, and some features may differ. I am looking to use this u it for data logging and fine tuning purposes as I already have a great flash from FVD. Problem is I need to fine tune it and adjust for different fuels, e30, race has, meth. And the ots tune can’t do any of that, or data log. Wanting to also add the new pure 850 turbos and will need somthing to change my parameters around to accomadate the larger turbo. Would this jb4 u it accomplish my goals. Looking to just use map 6 for fine tunning.

Can I data log in map0 with all sensors and canbus?

Can you log/adjust WGDC?


Also I know very little about tuning, is it easy to adjust the Afg target and duty Cycle on the map six? Can you tune by gear or is it just by rpm?

Thank you I release this was first a bmw program but I’m thinking this should really gain some popularity on the Panamera since there is currently no other device that you can datalog with! Thanks
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Default 11-27-2020, 04:27 PM

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Hey guys, I think this is the dataloging and fine tuning solution a lot of us have been looking for being that itís difficult to get custom tunes on this plateform. I wanted to get some more info on the system as Iím not that familiar this jb4, and some features may differ. I am looking to use this u it for data logging and fine tuning purposes as I already have a great flash from FVD. Problem is I need to fine tune it and adjust for different fuels, e30, race has, meth. And the ots tune canít do any of that, or data log. Wanting to also add the new pure 850 turbos and will need somthing to change my parameters around to accomadate the larger turbo. Would this jb4 u it accomplish my goals. Looking to just use map 6 for fine tunning.

Can I data log in map0 with all sensors and canbus?

Can you log/adjust WGDC?


Also I know very little about tuning, is it easy to adjust the Afg target and duty Cycle on the map six? Can you tune by gear or is it just by rpm?

Thank you I release this was first a bmw program but Iím thinking this should really gain some popularity on the Panamera since there is currently no other device that you can datalog with! Thanks


In case anyone else was curious this is the answer i got




We've got a lot of logging channels in there but not everything yet. It's something we add over time. You can do logging on map0.

In terms of fine tuning the JB4 would be perfect for that, but for the large turbos you'd need a flash tune to match. Then just use the JB4 for fine tuning.

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Default 05-21-2022, 10:07 AM

Anyone keen to share logs here? Would love to compare. Especially want to see your fuel trims under WOT
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OK I'll play first. @terry This is a log using map1 and a fuel mix of about 95octane. Is it OK to have the fuel trim pegged at +44? Or does it need a backend flash loaded like they do on the M5/M6 which sorts that out and brings it closer to 0.
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Default 05-25-2022, 07:34 AM

Is there an information sheet or manual somewhere explaining all the options available and what they do on the custom map setup options page? It doesn't seem to user friendly, talking of different bits etc. Would love to know what each option does and what gets affected.
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Default 05-25-2022, 09:45 AM

Sorry to bombard this thread, another one.. On your Jb4 map guide it speaks of map 3, entering a "boost safety" figure of eg. 3.0psi. Where is this entry block in the options for boost safety? All I see is boost failsafe which is at 22.0psi. Also the map guide stops at map7 yet there is a map 8 on the firmware? Would love some feedback as I have much to learn of this system.
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Default 05-25-2022, 10:15 AM

Most of that stuff is per platform. I don't believe any bits are working on this platform and the map guide is on the first post of this thread.


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Most of that stuff is per platform. I don't believe any bits are working on this platform and the map guide is on the first post of this thread.
Hi Payam, thanks for the response. As per previous message, I read the map guide, and it says for map 3 to enter a desired +psi number to the stock boost request, you would enter this in the "boost safe" setting in the app. My question is where is this boost safe setting block, as nothing describes this setting, just a boost fail safe?

Also the map guide goes to map 7 however on the app you have an extra map option which is 8 in the firmware, what is this map?

Thanks for assisting.
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Hi Payam, thanks for the response. As per previous message, I read the map guide, and it says for map 3 to enter a desired +psi number to the stock boost request, you would enter this in the "boost safe" setting in the app. My question is where is this boost safe setting block, as nothing describes this setting, just a boost fail safe?

Also the map guide goes to map 7 however on the app you have an extra map option which is 8 in the firmware, what is this map?

Thanks for assisting.
It's a custom boost map like map 6 that is user defined. We only suggest that for people that can evaluate their own logs and are familiar with their car etc.
Boost safety value will be under the user adjustments page when you scroll down that's where you will enter the value you want when you're in map 3.

Map 8 I believe is either methanol map or valet map, but still in development. Terry would know better depending on the firmware loaded.


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It's a custom boost map like map 6 that is user defined. We only suggest that for people that can evaluate their own logs and are familiar with their car etc.
Boost safety value will be under the user adjustments page when you scroll down that's where you will enter the value you want when you're in map 3.

Map 8 I believe is either methanol map or valet map, but still in development. Terry would know better depending on the firmware loaded.
Hi Payam, thanks for the explanation, am learning the Jb4 kit, would love to learnt the rest of the options. I am familiar with logging as I have logged all my cars over many years using different platforms.

If you could take a look at the log attached please. It is a Map1 log so the least aggressive and yet the fuel trims immediately hit max at +44 and stay there the whole time under WOT. This pull was a 3rd to 4th gear WOT pull. The car is stock hardware wise. Thanks
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Hi Payam, thanks for the explanation, am learning the Jb4 kit, would love to learnt the rest of the options. I am familiar with logging as I have logged all my cars over many years using different platforms.

If you could take a look at the log attached please. It is a Map1 log so the least aggressive and yet the fuel trims immediately hit max at +44 and stay there the whole time under WOT. This pull was a 3rd to 4th gear WOT pull. The car is stock hardware wise. Thanks
What fuel is this on? Can you get me a map 0 log to compare it to please?


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What fuel is this on? Can you get me a map 0 log to compare it to please?
That was on a mix of about 93oct.

Attached is a map 0 as requested, also starting in 3rd gear into 4th gear WOT.
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New guy here, please be patient

I'm replying to this thread with a few questions but also to follow along with anything related to JB4 tuning for the Cayenne.

I'm new to the Porsche Cayenne, NOT new to aftermarket tuning and modding cars. On one hand, there are a lot of aftermarket ECU tuning solutions for this platform (I have the 2011 958.1 w/ the 4.8 twin turbo V8). On the other hand, there is no all-in-one datalogging & tuning solution, it seems. Like, you can get an ECU tune/map from all kinds of different vendors online. But you have to get the MyGenius handheld to flash the ECU. That appears to be the only option short of removing the ECU and shipping it to the vendor. I always hated that option anyway, sort of an antiquated tuning solution lol. 2001 called and they want their tuning solutions back. JK.

So I am interested in the JB4 for at the very least a solid data logging solution. Not sure how accurate it is and how many parameters it can log at once. Sure, there's the Durametric cable, which seems to be the "gold standard" for Porsche datalogging. Can't tune/flash with it though. And AFAIK, you'd still be driving around with a hard cable hooked up to a laptop for data capture...

What drew me even more to the JB4 was the water/meth factor. I plan on installing a WMI kit (packages en route). It's going to be a beast of an install since this is a more unique platform. Not many guys running WMI in their Panamera or Cayenne it seems. At least no one's talking about it on the forums and showcasing it. I plan to change that. But I saw that the JB4 / Burger Motorsports has their own WMI kit and they state how it's integrated/works with the JB4. So that'd be awesome for fine-tuning dial in perhaps? I don't want to have to purchase the specific BMS WMI kit, but it seems I might have to if I wanted to use the JB4 for WMI tuning mostly?

I was thinking, maybe I could do a standard "Stage 1" sort of ECU flash from one of the popular tuners/vendors, then on top of that once I get the WMI installed and sorted out, I could use the JB4 on top of that tune for adjustment? I don't know if I'm making any sense.

I did just pull the trigger on the HPTuners MPVI2+ OBD2 device. At the recommendation of the remote Porsche tuner... he mentioned he's seen shops use this for data collection and send to him for adjustments to the ECU tune and it's been pretty good data. Don't know if I can get double use out of this for ECU flashing, but maybe.... If not, that's OK so long as it's giving me solid, reliable, and accurate data-logging information. I'll keep it for that reason alone if it works. There's only one way to find out...

Also curious how everyone's experience has been with the JB4 piggyback tuning setup on their 958.1 Turbos, if that applies to anyone here. If you can get everything you'd possibly need out of it, then perhaps it completely eliminates any need for the full ECU reflash tune option?

Does the JB4 log wideband data? What about all these parameters (below)?

Engine speed
Engine load
Ignition Angle
Camshaft deviation bank 1
Camshaft deviation bank 2
Actual Camshaft Angle bank 1
Actual Camshaft Angle Bank 2
Nominal Camshaft angle bank 1
Nominal Camshaft angle bank 2
Intake Air temp
Injection time
Retardation cylinder 1
Actual throttle plate angle
Multipl. correction of mixture adaptation
Multip. correction of mixture adaptation (B)
Fuel trim mean value bank 1
Fuel trim mean value bank 2
Actual lambda value bank 1
Actual lambda value bank 2
Pressure ah. of thr. plate fr. press. Sensor
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We log the widebands, ign, timing corrections, fuel trims, throttle, etc.

Don't log anything with the camshafts currently.


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New guy here, please be patient

I'm replying to this thread with a few questions but also to follow along with anything related to JB4 tuning for the Cayenne.

I'm new to the Porsche Cayenne, NOT new to aftermarket tuning and modding cars. On one hand, there are a lot of aftermarket ECU tuning solutions for this platform (I have the 2011 958.1 w/ the 4.8 twin turbo V8). On the other hand, there is no all-in-one datalogging & tuning solution, it seems. Like, you can get an ECU tune/map from all kinds of different vendors online. But you have to get the MyGenius handheld to flash the ECU. That appears to be the only option short of removing the ECU and shipping it to the vendor. I always hated that option anyway, sort of an antiquated tuning solution lol. 2001 called and they want their tuning solutions back. JK.

So I am interested in the JB4 for at the very least a solid data logging solution. Not sure how accurate it is and how many parameters it can log at once. Sure, there's the Durametric cable, which seems to be the "gold standard" for Porsche datalogging. Can't tune/flash with it though. And AFAIK, you'd still be driving around with a hard cable hooked up to a laptop for data capture...

What drew me even more to the JB4 was the water/meth factor. I plan on installing a WMI kit (packages en route). It's going to be a beast of an install since this is a more unique platform. Not many guys running WMI in their Panamera or Cayenne it seems. At least no one's talking about it on the forums and showcasing it. I plan to change that. But I saw that the JB4 / Burger Motorsports has their own WMI kit and they state how it's integrated/works with the JB4. So that'd be awesome for fine-tuning dial in perhaps? I don't want to have to purchase the specific BMS WMI kit, but it seems I might have to if I wanted to use the JB4 for WMI tuning mostly?

I was thinking, maybe I could do a standard "Stage 1" sort of ECU flash from one of the popular tuners/vendors, then on top of that once I get the WMI installed and sorted out, I could use the JB4 on top of that tune for adjustment? I don't know if I'm making any sense.

I did just pull the trigger on the HPTuners MPVI2+ OBD2 device. At the recommendation of the remote Porsche tuner... he mentioned he's seen shops use this for data collection and send to him for adjustments to the ECU tune and it's been pretty good data. Don't know if I can get double use out of this for ECU flashing, but maybe.... If not, that's OK so long as it's giving me solid, reliable, and accurate data-logging information. I'll keep it for that reason alone if it works. There's only one way to find out...

Also curious how everyone's experience has been with the JB4 piggyback tuning setup on their 958.1 Turbos, if that applies to anyone here. If you can get everything you'd possibly need out of it, then perhaps it completely eliminates any need for the full ECU reflash tune option?

Does the JB4 log wideband data? What about all these parameters (below)?

Engine speed
Engine load
Ignition Angle
Camshaft deviation bank 1
Camshaft deviation bank 2
Actual Camshaft Angle bank 1
Actual Camshaft Angle Bank 2
Nominal Camshaft angle bank 1
Nominal Camshaft angle bank 2
Intake Air temp
Injection time
Retardation cylinder 1
Actual throttle plate angle
Multipl. correction of mixture adaptation
Multip. correction of mixture adaptation (B)
Fuel trim mean value bank 1
Fuel trim mean value bank 2
Actual lambda value bank 1
Actual lambda value bank 2
Pressure ah. of thr. plate fr. press. Sensor
Hi Spoon,

So here is my experience with the device and an honest review of it. You wont get much help here unfortunately, as its mainly crickets....

Its a huge disappointment to start off with that the BMW models have had great success with the JB4 and i expected the same result with the Porsche models, however this is not the case. I personally feel the device was released to market uncompleted as there is a lot that is left to be desired, starting off with a manual just on what the various settings are in the setup options of the APP, including being able to log a lot more parameters than what is currently available, and i don't believe further development is being done if you go check on timelines.

I own a 2011 Panamera Turbo S, and was only ever brave enough to try Map1 which is the least aggressive, and was quite shocked to see the Fuel trims absolutely max out under WOT and that means over +25% fuel trims, i have no idea how much higher out of trim it is as the logging software stops at +25% !!, with the AFR's leaning out a little (however still safe) but i am just not comfortable having fuel trims maxed out and believe it should be more dialed in than that. My other vehicles with proper tunes stay within 5% under WOT conditions, nice and safe.. So i thought the same as you, i would get a stage 1 flash tune from X company and just use MAP0 for the datalogging functionality as that is pretty good, although does lack some parameters i would like to see. However with the ECU still with stock tune even on MAP0 which is supposed to allow for only the stock ECU and no corrections to be made, i was still seeing higher than stock levels of boost (strange i know)

Needless to say, i have disconnected my JB4 unit completely, what i am hoping for is when i receive my stage 2 file and loaded it via the OBD port using the MyGenius device as you already said, i would like to try MAP6 and just add like 2psi boost to the current stage2 tune and see what effect this has on the data logs for when i put in higher octane fuel. That's my plan however i am not holding my breath.

Happy to try answer other q's you may have.
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